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Posted: 12 May 2009 10:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I don’t think of this as the end of the old Trek. The original time line is still out there, just like the Mirror Universe. We’re just watching the Earth 2 Trek (actually, I guess it’s the Ultimate Universe Trek…everyone is young and hip).

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Posted: 12 May 2009 11:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Johnny M - 11 May 2009 06:11 PM

Frankly, this is the only possible way the franchise would have survived, especially after the financial and critical failure of Nemesis.  Star Trek films were always too concerned with conveying a message and were too much aimed at diehard Trek fans.  The reason First Contact did so well is because it played down those tendencies and added a bit of action movie to the formula. 

The thing that struck me as I watched the new film was how kinetic and immediate it was.  Star Trek films have always seemed to me to be far too stately and full of themselves to truly enjoy on an entertainment level.  It was like in some way, Star Trek believed it was more refined than your average science fiction excursion.  This film was thrilling, exciting, and the cast was wonderful to watch.  I almost forgot in many times that I WAS watching a Star Trek film.  I mean, Sulu kicked ass, Uhura had something to do, and the tone had enough darkness to keep me intrigued.

Now, does that mean the hardcore, old school fans are right to be pissed off?  They certainly have the right to do that.  After all, as the marketing blitz let us know, this is NOT your Dad’s Star Trek.  But let me ask those angry fans this: would you have rather seen the whole franchise slide into complete and total irrelevance?  There was nowhere else for the series to go.  If they didn’t reboot it, they would have just done the same, tired two-hour long episode that the last two movies turned out to be, and that would have been the final nail in the coffin.

Look what a reboot did for the Batman franchise, a series that was all but written off after the disastrous Mardi Gras hangover that was Batman & Robin.  The cast of this Star Trek film are all signed up for multi-picture contracts, and the massive opening weekend of this film (it made more in 3-and-a-half days than most of the other films have made in their entire domestic run) is going to ensure that they get made.  It’s going to bring new fans into the fold, people who dismissed Star Trek as beneath them but may now explore the rest of the franchise thanks to this very mainstream movie. 

Hell, I haven’t considered myself a Trek fan for years.  I loved “Voyager”, but I hated (HATED) “Enterprise”, and the last two movies left me cold.  Now, I want to go see the new film a second time.  I consider this a complete success.

Sums up my feeling exactly Johnny!

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Posted: 13 May 2009 05:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Rolltideguy77 - 12 May 2009 11:19 PM

Sums up my feeling exactly Johnny!

Mine too - Star Trek was SO bogged down in it’s own timeline, history and continuity it was being throttled by it.  The new parallel timeline opens everything back up and makes it so much more accessible, and (God forbid!) popular.

It’s not your old comfortable Star Trek any more, but if that’s too much to cope with, then there’s always the films and various series on DVD.

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Posted: 13 May 2009 08:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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DaleWho - 13 May 2009 05:59 AM
Rolltideguy77 - 12 May 2009 11:19 PM

Sums up my feeling exactly Johnny!

Mine too - Star Trek was SO bogged down in it’s own timeline, history and continuity it was being throttled by it.  The new parallel timeline opens everything back up and makes it so much more accessible, and (God forbid!) popular.

It’s not your old comfortable Star Trek any more, but if that’s too much to cope with, then there’s always the films and various series on DVD.

Enjoy the bastardization of Star Trek.

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Posted: 13 May 2009 08:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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This conversation follows every remake, reboot or retelling. I remember when Episode One came out. My expectations were extremely high, but not because I wanted it to be a good movie or make a lot of money. I just wanted to feel again what I felt as a kid. I wanted to feel that exhilaration and wonder again. But, like with most attempts to recapture youth, you can never really repeat those feelings and experiences. So I understand the frustration a lot of Trek fans are feeling right now.

The debate will continue, I’m sure. And this new vision will have other opportunities to try to win over anyone they may have alienated. (Heh heh, “alien”-ated.) But this is FBOTU, so while we debate, we still respect and care about each other, and we share our opinions and feelings, without fear of personal attacks.

So let’s keep it friendly!

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Posted: 13 May 2009 09:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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One more thing. Here’s a mostly amusing list of things wrong with the new Trek movie:

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/05/9-things-too-silly-about-star-trek-we.html

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Posted: 14 May 2009 04:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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I’ve been wanting to reply to this thread for quite a while because I’m a huge Trekker!  But it took me a while to even get to see the movie.  So here goes:

First of, I agree with Chance’s sentiment that you can never recapture your feelings of when you were younger.  And that goes for any Fanboy franchise.  It’s like Fanboy crack… you’re never going to get that same type of “high” you had when you first experienced your first hit.  And the Star Wars anaology is the best way of putting it.  I remember finding nothing wrong with “Phantom Menace.”  (Set phasers on stun first, please!)

That being said, I loved the new movie!  I took it as a completely new movie, apart from what had been done before.  Certain aspects of the movie deviated from the original vision and formula.  Mostly, I noticed that there was no “message” that was in the movie.  That’s why the show was originally created… to tell these morality plays without putting it in terms of “Americans” or “majority” versus “them” or “minorities.”  The show was originally created when there was lots of change going on in the world - the 1960’s.  This movie kind of went “eh” with that idea.  Ok.

The little nods to Trek’s history were my favorite.  Either they were planted there or I just wanted to see them.  You decide.  The very first interracial kiss seen on national TV was first seen on Star Trek.  And some stations refused to show the episode.  Why would Uhura (a black woman) kiss Kirk (a white man)?  There had pressure to change the story to have Uhura kiss Spock (a non-human), but the creator (Roddenberry) insisted on making it the two humans to show that there was nothing wrong with it.  Some couldn’t wrap their heads around it.  A black woman kissing a devil-like alien was Ok, but a white man?  Kind of like how people were all up in arms about the “obscenity” of Brokeback Mountain.  That’s why I loved the scenes of Spock and Uhura kissing because to me, it was a nod to the original turmoil on the original series and show those of us who knew this, that we’ve evolved to where today we do see interracial couples and it’s no big deal.  (mostly.)  Now, it was done to show that Uhura could rile up a Vulcan who was supposed to have control of his emotions - and his lips!

In it’s hey day - the original crew was seen as being young and hip.  To me, the original cast has just gotten old.  It happens.  I can’t imagine going to watch Batman Begins and expect Adam West to STILL be Batman.  Pavel Chekov was placed into the original show because it was around the time of the British Invasion and they wanted someone to look like the offspring of Paul McCartney and Davey Jones.  Check out his hair style… he’s a Monkee!  It was just the producers trying to get the young hip kids to watch Star Trek.  They put the “moral” spin on it by making him Russian.  Back in the 60’s, Russians were not the U.S.‘s friends.  But the creator wanted to show that it won’t always be like that.  In the future, we’ll have gotten past that.  Now, I see what people are complaining about.  But to me it’s the creators going back to that angle of the show: “Let’s be young and hip!”  And while I had grown to love the original series… I don’t miss William Shatner.  To me he’s just the Priceline Negotiator guy!  Now Leonard Nimoy will always be Spock.  He’s just always been a better actor that Shatner in my eyes.  Plus, according to Hollywood gossip, Shatner was always dissing Takei (the original Sulu).  I’m sure it’s biased, but Takei’s one of us! (Gets off soapbox.) A-hem…

I like that the creators hinted at certain things, like how Red Shirts die horrible deaths and lo and behold, guess whose chute doesn’t open and gets sucked into the giant space drill?  Red shirt!  Sulu goes a little nuts in the original and that’s the only time you ever find out he can fence.  This time he was in control and busted out with his blade. I loved that! 

One of the major things that bothered me, that I just had to get over is the whole “change the time line” event.  It’s been so played out in every incarnation!  In the “Voyage Home” they changed time by going into the past and bringing some whales with them.  And everyone was OK with that.  But when the Borg went back to change time in “First Contact”, the crew of the Enterprise had to also go back and fix it.  In Voyager, I remember Harry Kim once accidentally destroyed Voyager while trying to get the crew home, but what does he do?  Fifteen years later, he goes back in time to fix it like it never happened.  The movie contradicts what they’ve accustomed me to.  No more Marty McFly Syndrome: “Don’t worry about messing up time.  We can always go back to fix it!”  Or as I see it, “we can always fix the timeline as it is for the benefit of the good guys.” 

But in my little FanMan head (Ok - Fanboy head!) I imagine that each time the timeline skews, the original time boo boo still exists (except in a parallel dimension away from where hardcore fans can see) and we are protected from seeing how it plays out.  Unless it’s in the mirror universe.  Which was always a treat for me to see!  This same theory protects me from recalling and joining “The New Adventures of He-Man” with the rest of the Filmation canon.

I hope I didn’t come across as being mean or condescending to anyone’s opinion.  If anything that Roddenberry wanted to enforce in any of his tales, be it original, new, or future, is that there should always be tolerance and acceptance.  Just because someone or something is different, it doesn’t mean we have the right to eject them out the airlock.  No matter how much we may want to!  I love the old, but I love the new also.

P.S. - Random trivia: Gene Roddenberry was born here in El Paso, Texas.  My hometown.

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Posted: 14 May 2009 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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I liked it okay. I found some of the characterisations to be a little cartoonish. I thought it was interesting that Chris pine deliberately stayed away from classic Trek so he didnt attempt to emulate Shatner, and he was indeed a very different Kirk than I was used to, but then he was supposed to be. I can’t decide if I liked him or thought he was a tool. I just kept focusing on how rough his skin looked on the big screen LOL

I’m not a die hard Trekkie, so I liked it.
I’m sure I’m going to absolutely loathe a MOTU movie when it happens, so I can identify with people who didn’t like it. I suppose one way to look at it is theres TONS of old Trek to look back at, this is but one movie, so far. I’d doubt any new Trek would come anywhere near as big as the old version ever was.

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Posted: 15 November 2009 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Just a head’s up for those of you planning to purchase this movie Tuesday. There’s several editions out there but Target is offering a pretty cool version that is packaged in a plastic Enterprise ship (disc is in the hull) in both DVD and bluray versions. So I shall be heading out to snag this Tuesday morning. There’s a picture of it on Target’s website under the weekly ad, just flip through a few pages to see it.
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